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I read & liked this review when it was published anonymously on Scott Alexander's blog. One of the things that tickled me about it is that I haven't read The Winds of War nor War and Remembrance—but I *have* read World Empire Lost: I skimmed through the books (which my parents had), skipping all the other chapters and reading only those. I got a lot out of it, too. So I was chuffed to see someone review it as a book.

Congrats on getting an honorable mention!

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> a man who in Germany would have been sent to the gas chambers

Wait, what? His disability was not hereditary or congenital. (Well, maybe it was hereditary, but at the time it was thought that it was poliomyelitis, wasn't it?) The Nazis still executed such people?

> "This was a black chapter in the tale of man’s inhumanity to man."

So these are the words of von Roon? Huh.

> But von Roon appears to forget that it was only because of the Nazis that that sanctuary was required.

There were enough atrocities over the years, e.g. a genocide in Ukraine (by multiple perpetrators) during the Russian Civil War. In 1930s and 40s specifically, perhaps it was "only because of the Nazis", but not overall.

> while the English pilots in the Battle of Britain “performed with dash and valor, like their German racial cousins.”

Funny that alongside the English pilots a significant number of Poles fought, and many lost their lives, defending the country that wasn't theirs.

> but instead twists himself into various knots in an attempt to say that the Holocaust was - somehow - a “regrettable” mistake, rather than an inexcusable act of genocide. At one point he launches into a bizarre argument that the Holocaust was unnecessary because the Jews weren’t as powerful as Hitler thought

These are simply different axes. There are practical considerations why eating your family is not the best way to satisfy your nutritional requirements. Therefore doing it would be a mistake. For a normal (human) person the moral horror should dwarf any misgivings one might have about making such a mistake from a practical standpoint, and possibly even make thinking clearly about the practical aspects difficult. But if you are not horrified as much, discussing why it's a bad idea for practical reasons makes perfect sense. And doesn't even necessarily mean one is not opposed for moral reasons as well.

With von Roon, both his explicit stance and his actual beliefs must be clear from the book anyway. From your review, I think he would agree with "C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute": maybe the deaths of millions of Jews are regrettable in and of themselves, but it was the fact that killing them detracted from Germany's military effort and helped it lose the war that was, for him, the ultimate crime.

> little Rumania

... is bigger than Great Britain.

> However, the modern historical consensus is that the 1941 build-up was for defensive reasons and that at that point Stalin had no offensive plans - if only because he thought the Red Army was no match for the Wehrmacht.

This deserves its own discussion. I am mostly convinced that Stalin did. My primary source, unfortunately, is a certain conspiracy theorist who in this particular case did a lot of actual history work (or at least claims that he did). But overall I cannot call his reasoning trustworthy because some of his other claims or possibilities he raises are spurious. Also whatever evidence he gives must be compared with the evidence for the opposite, and AFAIK this does not happen in the normal academic manner. That being said, Soviet and Russian propaganda is certainly not trustworthy either, and the historians working there were and are, at the very least, not free from the consequences of publishing anything contradicting the "party line", and in many cases, simply are outright parts of the propaganda machine.

The conspiracy theorist claims to bring new (previously unpublished) records, but he also claims that whatever already is published (mostly in the 90s and 00s) should have been convincing enough, were the historians willing to seriously consider it.

> What if Germany had not invaded Russia in 1940, but instead devoted its forces to sweeping across North Africa, capturing the Suez Canal and the oil routes from the Middle East?

*1941. According to the conspiracy theorist, Stalin was planning to attack sometime in the weeks if not days after June 22nd. So it's likely that some close variation of the actual history would play out with Germany quickly turning to successful defense and advancing into the USSR (but plausibly not being able to pour as much into North Africa). Also possible: after some initial success the Red Army's morale would have been higher and it wouldn't be collapsing as rapidly as it did in the first months, making the war much harder for the Germans.

If Stalin was not planning to attack Hitler at all, that would have been foolish because indeed Hitler could quite plausibly force Britain into submission, and then the USSR would have to fight the same opponent in much worse conditions.

> Surely even a small fraction of these would have swept the British away in the Mediterranean?

The bottleneck was the transportation (first of personnel and equipment and then all the resources they need to function), not the number of men. As for the planes, didn't Germany have use of most of these planes in the months prior? (Still, it does sound quite plausible that some critical resource was diverted from the African campaign because of the Barbarossa.)

> [redacted]

That was quite a reveal. I had some questions about [redacted] but definitely didn't suspect that.

Thank you for the review!

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